Obama Surging in the Land of Clinton

in the end, i id'ed more supporters for barack obama (combining 2s and 3s) than john mccain's (4s and 5s) in what is normally considered heavily republican winter park, florida.  but it sure didn't feel that way while i was canvassing.  thinking about it now, the obama supporters came in drips, while the mccain supporters were clumped together and made a bigger impression.

just goes to show that even your own impressions aren't always accurate.

getting to the turf -- to winter park from the temporary orlando campaign office -- proved more difficult than expected.  the access street to the first house on my list was cut off.  i could see the first house on palmer, so i walked past the barriers over to the other side and knocked on the first door.  no one home, left our new lit (woo hoo!) and went to the next house.  a lady, 94 years old, in this huge house overseeing a lake, came to the door to greet me.

Obama Sign
"have you given any thought to who you are supporting?" i asked.

"obama," she said, in a strong, clear voice.  this is not your father's winter park.

we talked a little about the construction on the street (she liked how quiet it made things), which made me decide that i had to get my car to the other side of the barriers.  but because winter park (and much on inland florida) is sprinkled with lakes, it wasn't going to be easy.  i had to drive 3 miles back to 17-92, five miles up to horatio, and then another 3 miles to via tuscany, driving through neighborhoods in a round about manner, before getting to alabama and then to palmer.  it took me about forty minutes before i got to the next door.

these were not your mcmansions that i saw in west chonchie (pa), but real estates with prominant lake views.  the walks from the street to the front door were often hundreds of yards.  while almost everyone else was not home -- this is the time of year when many floridians flee to the north carolina mountains to escape the heat -- every door got a piece of lit.  one person refused to talk about the election, although he accepted the literature.  he may have been on the phone (i don't specifically recall).

but once i got off palmer, things really picked up!  in the neighborhoods off palmer, i got a great reception, even from those who were supporting mccain.  neighbors of all ages, and political views, were thoroughly encouraging of this kind of voter contact.  i was offered soft drinks (we call them coke down here), bottles of water, beer (three times!  who knew?), and numerous offers to come inside and cool off.  i don't think it was as hot as the prior days, but i didn't knock on their door those days.  people in these ritzy neighborhoods -- many who were republicans but all who believed their neighbors were staunch republicans -- were truly hospitable.  there's no other word to describe it.  even the republican lady who "shooed" me away, did so pleasantly.  "i'm not accepting solicitors today," she said.

i caught one family who was packing for a trip (probably up to the mountains).  the mother of the family took my knock, and hemmed and hawed a little.  "we're republicans," she said -- which i knew.  so i asked my standard question, "should i record you as leaning mccain or strong mccain?"  "we're leaning mccain," she admitted.  "that's probably where we will end up."  that seems to be the mood of the republican electorate nowadays.

after i had knocked on a few other doors, including their obama supporting (democratic) neighbors, she called me over.  she was talking to someone who had driven up, in the street.  "this is my sister and she's supporting obama," she declared.  "we have lively political discussions every thanksgiving."  why she needed to tell me this escapes me.  but people clearly want to talk about this election.  especially in the early rounds of canvassing, we want to give people a voice, let them talk, give us an opening about how to relate to them wrt barack obama.  you want to connect the voter to barack based on what is important to them, and not necessarily what is important to us.  regardless, people want to talk -- well, most of them, anyway.

i ran into several obamacans, registered republicans supporting barack.  one of them wanted to give me the lowdown of his neighbors (i had a democrat who did the same), in this case, he was mostly right.  often, though, they are not.  another one wanted the (obama) shirt off my back.  but they were among the most enthusiastic supporters of obama i talked to yesterday.

McCain Sign
at the end of the day, i was walking the areas around the lake.  one home i came upon, the father and son answered.  "strong mccain" the son said loudly.  his father agreed, more half-heartedly.  he offered me a glass of water.  i declined, because i had plenty of fluids with me.  "i love the process," he declared.  "i'll talk to anyone."  his 23 year old son was more disgusted.  "damn surfers," he might have thought to himself.  periodically, i did encounter enthused mccain supporters.

but the most vehement republicans i met weren't even on my list.  one door i knocked on, the person on my list had moved.  i duly recorded it -- no reason for anyone to ever return to this house.  his car was filled with bumper stickers, the one that stuck in my mind being "while monica blew, al-qaeda grew."  but the other decals were equally strident.  after he closed the door and i was walking away, he came back out -- apparently, he hadn't said his piece.  "i don't know how anyone could think that obama was qualified to be president?" he said.  "i'm pretty sure he's over 35," i replied.  he looked perplexed.  i have to bite my tongue in these situations, because they are only a waste of time.  he repeated, "he's the most unqualified person ever to run for president."

i thought of "abe lincoln" character that seems to run for president every cycle or the guy who hung out in front of howard dean offices in 2004, but i digress.

on that same street, i walked up to three guys drinking beer in the (covered) driveway.  "no, no, not obama," one guy said as i walked up.  "are you _?" i asked.  "no, he's not here," they said collectively.  "would you mind giving this to him when he returns?" i asked.  i gave the lit to the one who held out his hand.  but as i left, i could tell i had sparked a conversation among them.  probably not one i wanted to stick around to listen to.  in a different area (west of lakemont), i had two people who mentioned that they couldn't support a "one world order" candidate -- which absolutely blew my mind.  i suppose this is the knee-jerk response by wingnut radio to obama's trip overseas.  or something.  it was weird to hear two people, one young, one old, who parroted each other.

the last republican i talked to last night was undecided.  it was then i realized that not a single democrat i talked to yesterday in 281 doors was undecided.  many said "probably obama," which i recorded as a 3L (leaning obama) but i doubt they will do anything other than vote for barack.  but all the undecideds i talked to were either republicans or NP (no party identification).  the latter were few and far between.  this in "heavily republican winter park."

this is an area that went disproportionately for hillary -- and she did rather well here in the fundraising department, as well.  but democrats in winter park support barack, and seemingly enthusiastically.  some republicans, too.  there is definitely no signs of PUMA, or the divisiveness that some clinton supporters are trying to dredge up online.  no one's expressing disappointment in barack's votes or failures to concede the race to hillary.  people here seem to feel the history in the making, and are happy to be a part of it.  it's a warm feeling, to go along with a warm afternoon.

i talked to 104 people yesterday, including one person, a libertarian, who unenthusiastically is voting for bob barr.  i had another person tell me that he wasn't voting in this election.  i ended the day with 30 2s (obama supporters), 11 3Ls (leaning obama), 11 undecideds, 10 4s (leaning mccain), 22 5s (supporting mccain) and 1 5B (supporting barr).  in "heavily republican winter park."  the winds of change, they are ablowing...



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Keep up the good work! (2.00 / 1)

I'm proud of ya, and grateful.  Oh, and thanks for the intel.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 12:32:43 PM EST

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Interesting read.  I learned quickly enough that I do not have the appropriate temperament for canvassing, here in "heavily Republican" Dan Burton country.  

But let that serve as a reminder that there are many ways to help, even if you're inclined to occasionally punch 'em in the teeth (which you can't do while phonebanking!).


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 12:36:11 PM EST

i'm not going to try to convince you, but... (2.00 / 2)

i think most of the people who know me would think the same thing.  it helps that i've done this for a very long time, but i almost consider it acting.  at someone's door, the biggest thing on my mind is "smile."  they won't remember a word you said, but they will remember the visual.  smile, we can all do that.

the other thing i'd note is that i think people are far more likely to be abusive to an invisible voice over the phone than they are to someone who shows up at their door.  but that's me...


"I can't change things overnight, but I think I can get us on the right track." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 12:45:43 PM EST
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Obviously, the right person (none / 0)

 in the right place at the right time, repeated ten thousandfold throughout the land.  
BN, you are doing Jebus's work.  We will win this thing the new way, the old way and every which way there is.  There's a train a comin'!
by ReillyDiefenbach on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 01:09:37 PM EST
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Just FYI... (none / 0)

...the "one world order" thing isn't a wingnut radio response to Obama's trip, it's end-times Christianity.  The premillennials think that a one-world government - usually the UN - is the big sign of the end-times, and of course the person who runs that government will be the Antichrist.  

One of the smears going through email is that Obama fits all the (made up) characteristics of the Antichrist.  The problem is that it's a pretty hard smear to fight - I mean, what can you say other than "no, he isn't the Antichrist"?  If someone's going to believe that he is, denial and facts probably aren't going to get you very far.

Still, though, I don't know if you can do this formally as a campaign volunteer, but you might want to direct Christian voters - particularly those who are skeptical about Obama's faith, or those who are enthusiastic about Obama - to the website of the Matthew 25 Network, www.matthew25.org.


Join the Matthew 25 Network and help Democrats win the next generation of evangelicals.
by mistersite on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 12:43:22 PM EST

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Tell them that they should vote for Obama so that they can be raptured even faster.


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 01:25:56 PM EST
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2012 here we come!  Yay Mayans!


by ProgressiveDL on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 05:15:02 PM EST
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Every generation of evangelicals has someone that is identified as 'the anti-christ' by the fundamentalist preachers.  When I was growing up, it was the Pope.

It's wingnuttery to the max.  They should all just self castrate and wait for the comet to come get them.  Of course, that's been done already too.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 03:00:01 PM EST
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Keep up the excellent work.  I love these diaries from the front lines of the effort.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 12:56:52 PM EST

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God Bless you, man, keep up the good work.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 01:08:26 PM EST

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Keep fighting the good fight!


Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!
by spacemanspiff on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 02:39:31 PM EST

Aside from your ... (none / 0)

known dislike of the Clintons, there appears to be no relation between your diary subject matter and your chosen title, unless you are making the claim that 'heavily republican Winter Park' is somehow 'the land of Clinton'.  I would think the answers showing support for McCain would blow that assertion out of the water, except in the land where all things evil are 'Clinton'.

I do applaud the work you do for Obama, but it would be more unifying if you could swallow the bile you have for the Clintons.  Of course, I too wish for world peace and know that's not coming anytime soon.

The primary is over.  Just as those supporting Clinton have moved on to change the rhetoric to more unifying themes, you should as well, unless you consider yourself the 'ying' to the 'puma's' 'yang', in which case you would be about as credible as they are, and I give you more credit than that.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 02:57:29 PM EST

i don't know why you think i dislike... (2.00 / 1)

the clintons.  i've talked to her every time i was asked to, contributed (probably more than most of the clinton supporters here), and dealt with them on what they considered important projects.

i do know that i want to win -- and understood that hillary's message was not a sufficient contrast to that of mccain's.  but the desire to win (and make the sacrifices required to win) is not an especially democratic value.  most democrats would rather be right than win, near as i can tell.

several of the people i talked to were hillary contributors, one of whom said she contributed "heavily" to both the primary and g/e funds.  surprisingly, they told me this as we were talking about volunteering for obama.  that's the source of the title, which i'll admit got lost in the writing.  that's what happens when you write stream of consciousness.

i also forgot to convey the story of the republican who said he was a strong mccain supporter who asked when barack was coming to orlando.  "i'd like to see him," he said.  i told him to pay attention because tickets go fast.

in the end, democrats benefit from having not nominated a candidate who unites republicans and divides democrats.  while barack may not have united democrats online, there is no sign, near as i can tell, that democrats are divided in the swing states.  and republicans remain demoralized, perhaps because democrats did not fall into the trap of nominating the one person who would have united them.  those are facts.  if you choose to see that as bile, that's not my problem...


"I can't change things overnight, but I think I can get us on the right track." -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 03:27:17 PM EST
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But the poster does have a point.  I expect Obama to do well in anything called "Clinton land."  The news should be where he does well in "McCain Land."


by Drummond on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 03:42:59 PM EST
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But the poster does have a point.  I expect Obama to do well in anything called "Clinton land."  The news should be where he does well in "McCain Land."


by Drummond on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 03:42:34 PM EST

Thanks. (none / 0)

Your canvassing diaries have been great.


by Bush Bites on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 04:13:34 PM EST

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It's reasonable to assume Clinton would perform better in Florida.  From the very beginning Foridians strongly preferred Clinton to any other Democratic candidate. And she consistently did better than McCain in the sunshine state. Regarding demographics, Florida has a large senior and Hispanic population who prefer Clinton much more than any other Democratic candidate. And a few weeks ago Rasmussen reported that Clinton was a more powerful general election candidate than Obama. There's still time to choose Clinton as our nominee!

Hillary Clinton -08!


by QuestionMark on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 06:43:58 PM EST

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LOL


by NeverNude on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 07:12:41 PM EST
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Did you read this diary?  It's quite well-written...you should try reading it.  Or are you being sarcastic?

Perhaps you're right...I've actually agreed with you here...but Obama certainly does better in Colorado, New Mexico, Montana, Indiana, Virginia and no worse in pretty much any other state (including her own {and my} state of new york).  Hillary's results in a poll mean nothing right now.  She's not running.  People are bound to be more sympathetic to her when they know she can't REALLY win.

I'll vote for Hillary in 2012...when she runs for Senate again.

I'll vote for Obama in 2012...when he's running for his second term.


by thurst on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 09:00:47 PM EST
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Did you read this diary?

Why would you ask that question? Do you ask everybody that question when you reply to them?

Perhaps you're right...I've actually agreed with you here...but Obama certainly does better in Colorado, New Mexico, Montana, Indiana, Virginia and no worse in pretty much any other state (including her own {and my} state of new york).

I'm not sure who you are comparing Obama to HRC or McCain. HRC showed a consistent ability to be more popular than Obama in swing states and whoever has more swing state popularity will win the general election.

Hillary's results in a poll mean nothing right now.

No, HRC's polling indicated she was a stronger general election candidate than Obama at the time of the poll.

she can't REALLY win.

It boggles my mind why you would say that when the Rasmussen poll showed HRC had greater voter support than Obama.


by QuestionMark on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 10:07:32 PM EST
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Well, after the fact... (none / 0)

In case you check...

She can't REALLY win, because she's not the CANDIDATE in the GENERAL ELECTION.

It's really quite basic...

And yes, apparently I ask it when it seems someone hasn't read the diary.

Hil was stronger after she bowed out b/c no one was attacking her...

Moot point though, she was awesome last night...and she won my vote for (hopefully) 2016! (will still vote for her for the Senate in 2012)


by thurst on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:01:02 PM EST
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It's nice to hear what people are thinking in these areas. Thanks for all your hard work. Rec


by Politicalslave on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 07:27:08 PM EST


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